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PostPosted: March 22nd, 2012, 6:16 am  

In my area most Ash are dead.Acres and acres of woods that wont be much once the fall. Ever wonder what impact this is going to have in the future on our forests? Some woods I hunt will be almost field once they come crashing down. In the UP we used to find an odd morel that was an off grey color and round just a little bigger than a softball by the hundreds but only under Ash.We used to make a special trip just to hunt them as they were always late in season when plantlife was heavy and taller than they were. I wish I had pics as Ive never seen this morel in pics or described anywhere.

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PostPosted: March 22nd, 2012, 12:27 pm  

It is sad. I'd say only about 20% of the ash around here is still alive, and they are fading fast. Hundreds of softball size morels? Wow! I will have nightmares now! Are the up ash suffering a similar fate right now? What a shame.

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I agree about the Dead Elm for greys and yellows -- in fact, I've found it the best for HUGE numbers. Once I found 190 yellows around three dead elms growing side by side. However, in my experience, they are effective for only 3 years after dying at most.

However, I've NEVER found a black around a dead elm. If I don't have live ash trees to look around, I look around black Cherries and Tulip trees in Ohio and southern MI. In Northern Michigan I find blacks around Cherry, Aspen. and clusters of maples that grow in an area of ash trees. And never overlook the dead apple trees. I've found shrooms around apple trees that have been dead for 20 years or more.

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PostPosted: March 22nd, 2012, 6:00 pm  

Are you saying you find blacks around dead apple trees scott? I find greys and yellows there, but never blacks!

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 Post subject: Re: Pain in my ash
PostPosted: March 22nd, 2012, 6:34 pm  

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However, I've NEVER found a black around a dead elm. If I don't have live ash trees to look around, I look around black Cherries and Tulip trees in Ohio and southern MI. In Northern Michigan I find blacks around Cherry, Aspen. and clusters of maples that grow in an area of ash trees. And never overlook the dead apple trees. I've found shrooms around apple trees that have been dead for 20 years or more.



Hey do you find them by lone black cherries or usually when the trees are in numbers, and what size trees are they by? Also the maples... same question


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I have found blacks around dead apples, but not in abundance. In an area with dark, sandy loam I often find them around black cherries. Either single, larger cherry trees or around clusters of small black cherry. My earliest spot for blacks around here has a mixture of Tulip and clusters of younger black cherries. Up north I find them around a mixture of black cherry and poplar or maple

Most of the time around Maples, I have found, they grow within 50 feet or so of other productive trees like ash or cherry. I have places where I often find 6 to 10 inch yellows around maples like that. Blacks tend to be the same way. In a more heavily hunted area in which I look I focus on the Maples close to productive because others don't look there as often.

Just remember, they come wherever they want to come! Hope this helps though.

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PostPosted: March 23rd, 2012, 10:37 am  

Thanks for the info scott! Though it sounds like apple, cherry, maple only produce blacks in areas where they are mixed with more common black producers such as ash, poplar, etc. What about a stands alone apple or cherry? Or one mixed in with non host trees? And do other cherry trees produce? Such as pin or chokecherry? Thanks for the info, keep it comin!

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PostPosted: March 23rd, 2012, 12:30 pm  

Are the maples u hunt clusters of small maples or large mature maples? Are sugars good ones or do u prefer reds? How about white pines as well have u hunted them? I know where some black cherry and white pine mixed woods areas... It's going to be a fun season nonetheless, I love hunting :). Thank you for your thoughts/experience Scott

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PostPosted: March 23rd, 2012, 4:11 pm  

I have never looked around any cherry but black cherry. I found them around both hard (black and sugar) and soft (red and silver) maple. Most of the time it's around other host trees. But I have one 1/2 acre copse of maples all by itself that does great. Last year I was too late, but picked over 100 yellows; I left twice that many in the woods cause they were too old. You just need to learn the area in which you hunt.

As far as pines are concerned I've found them around a variety. White pines are very good; but I'm told they find them around the jack pine in the UP. I've found them around Red pines and even blue spruce in my back yard. Many of us find them around cedars as well.

Hope you find them WHEREVER you look!

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 Post subject: Re: Pain in my ash
PostPosted: March 23rd, 2012, 4:42 pm  

srashley wrote:
I agree about the Dead Elm for greys and yellows -- in fact, I've found it the best for HUGE numbers. Once I found 190 yellows around three dead elms growing side by side. However, in my experience, they are effective for only 3 years after dying at most.

However, I've NEVER found a black around a dead elm. If I don't have live ash trees to look around, I look around black Cherries and Tulip trees in Ohio and southern MI. In Northern Michigan I find blacks around Cherry, Aspen. and clusters of maples that grow in an area of ash trees. And never overlook the dead apple trees. I've found shrooms around apple trees that have been dead for 20 years or more.

I agree i have been finding 100's of greys around dead apple trees that have been dead for years for the last 5 years that i have been hunting morels


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